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Okay, so I know that this will probably get rejected, but lemme cook
Poképong
Basically, attacks don't deal damage when they are used .
Instead, they deal damage when the target doesn't have/use a move equal to or higher than the BP of the incoming attack, OR if the attacker misses/ lands into an immunity (like crash damage) so they receive it instead.
If you 'return' the attack now that attack goes towards the opponent, w 10% of the base power of the previous attack added (so say I used CC on my opponent, and they use overheat, that CC adds 12BP to the attack); additionally, side effects accumulate as well.
The fun bit about this meta is that strong attacks with heavy drawbacks will have to be used, as well as boosting abilities.
Also maybe it would be a doubles meta but idk how that would work.
Bans-
Standard OU Clauses
Poképong
Basically, attacks don't deal damage when they are used .
Instead, they deal damage when the target doesn't have/use a move equal to or higher than the BP of the incoming attack, OR if the attacker misses/ lands into an immunity (like crash damage) so they receive it instead.
If you 'return' the attack now that attack goes towards the opponent, w 10% of the base power of the previous attack added (so say I used CC on my opponent, and they use overheat, that CC adds 12BP to the attack); additionally, side effects accumulate as well.
The fun bit about this meta is that strong attacks with heavy drawbacks will have to be used, as well as boosting abilities.
Also maybe it would be a doubles meta but idk how that would work.
Bans-
Standard OU Clauses
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Level Points
Basically, a Pokemon's level has to equal the combined max PP of all it's moves.
This would be an interesting metagame because the most powerful attacks are all lower PP, and the garbage ones (I'm looking at you, splash) have the highest PP. This would lead to more diverse movesets with "Usually Useless Moves" getting used more often for higher levels.
Yes, the level can go above 100.
Bans-
Standard OU clauses
Seismic Toss, Night Shade
Basically, a Pokemon's level has to equal the combined max PP of all it's moves.
This would be an interesting metagame because the most powerful attacks are all lower PP, and the garbage ones (I'm looking at you, splash) have the highest PP. This would lead to more diverse movesets with "Usually Useless Moves" getting used more often for higher levels.
Yes, the level can go above 100.
Bans-
Standard OU clauses
Seismic Toss, Night Shade
New idea, although a little bit inspired from some previous comments in the thread :
A1 : Yes, they do. While being used, the percent of lost points is the same. This also includes lower percent as for Clangorous Soul or Substitute, as well as Leech Seed, Salt Cure, Curse, Nightmare, hazards, poison, confusion, burn, etc... recovery moves are, of course, also affected.
Q2 : Do I lose if I use suicide moves ?
A2 : Yes, you do. Any suicide moves unavoidably lead to one's loss, so they have no more interest in battle, except for trolling.
Do you see other matters I should talk about in the Q&A ?
I just photoshop-ed official artworks, any propositions from talented artists are welcome too ;)
MEGAZORD BATTLE
Premise :
HP and PP merge, giving one single and common "reservoir" for each team.Rules :
This new HP-and-PP mixed count starts more or less high depending on the number of Pokemon, their HP and PP in one player's team. Each time a Pokemon uses a move or receives damages, the value drops ; when it recovers, the value increases. This takes into consideration new properties :- Pokemon can now use any moves as much as they want and as long as there are points left ;
- Each move consumes automatically 1 point, 2 points against Pressure users ;
- If a team is left with 1 point, using a move will make the team faint all at once, no matter which Pokemon is sent in battle. PP being prior to moves execution, it will end the game even in case of Recover, Slack Off, Wish, etc.
Clauses :
- Baton Pass Clause : only one Pokemon per teams is allowed to use Baton Pass ;
- Endless Battle Clause ;
- Evasion Clause ;
- Freeze Clause : only one frozen Pokemon per teams allowed ;
- OHKO Clause ;
- Recovery Clause : only one Pokemon per teams is allowed to use HP-recovering moves in battle ;
- Sleep Clause : only one Pokemon per teams can be put asleep ;
- Species Clause ;
Bans :
- Arena Trap
- Moody
- Shadow Tag
- Bright Powder
- King's Rock
- Last Respects
- Power Trip
- Rage Fist
- Shed Tail
- Stored Power
- Wicked Blow
- Arceus (all forms)
- Calyrex-Shadow
- Ditto
- Koraidon
- Miraidon
- Shedinja
Unban :
- Baton Pass
Watchlist :
- Anger Point
- Competitive
- Defiant
- Harvest
- Regenerator
- Speed Boost
- Chi-Yu
- Deoxys (all forms)
- Giratina (both forms)
- Gouging Fire
- Groudon
- Ho-oh
- Kingambit
- Kyogre
- Kyurem-Black
- Kyurem-White
- Lugia
- Magearna
- Necrozma-Dawn-Wings
- Necrozma-Dusk-Mane
- Palafin
- Raging Bolt
- Regieleki
- Roaring Moon
- Shaymin-Sky
- Walking Wake
- Zacian-Crowned
Q&A :
Q1 : Do moves like Belly Drum/Fillet Away halve the amount of points one's team get ?A1 : Yes, they do. While being used, the percent of lost points is the same. This also includes lower percent as for Clangorous Soul or Substitute, as well as Leech Seed, Salt Cure, Curse, Nightmare, hazards, poison, confusion, burn, etc... recovery moves are, of course, also affected.
Q2 : Do I lose if I use suicide moves ?
A2 : Yes, you do. Any suicide moves unavoidably lead to one's loss, so they have no more interest in battle, except for trolling.
Questions for the community :
Do you see any potential threats and other bans ? Is the metagame simple enough ?Do you see other matters I should talk about in the Q&A ?
Resources :
On approval.
None.
I just photoshop-ed official artworks, any propositions from talented artists are welcome too ;)
UPDATE: Hi all, this is a baby OM now and we're looking for council. You can DM me (Dawn's Piplup on Showdown too and accomplish on discord), if you're interested in joining or for more info.
How would Leppa berry work?
I did say this jokingly in the chat the other day, but I am curious what thoughts would be to the following:
The counterpart of Bad n' Boosted: Good n' Gutted!
Concept is simple: Any stat above 90 is halved (rounding up). This should result in a completely different power level thanks to stronger Pokemon being weakened instead of weak Pokemon being strengthened.
Other than Last Respects and Baton Pass, not sure what the initial banlist would have to be, as everything is dropped to a lower power level. This would be a funny meta where Pokemon like Glalie are potentially excellent due to everything else being brought down to its level.
(Edit: also probably Light Ball, Eviolite, and Huge Power/Pure Power)
The counterpart of Bad n' Boosted: Good n' Gutted!
Concept is simple: Any stat above 90 is halved (rounding up). This should result in a completely different power level thanks to stronger Pokemon being weakened instead of weak Pokemon being strengthened.
Other than Last Respects and Baton Pass, not sure what the initial banlist would have to be, as everything is dropped to a lower power level. This would be a funny meta where Pokemon like Glalie are potentially excellent due to everything else being brought down to its level.
(Edit: also probably Light Ball, Eviolite, and Huge Power/Pure Power)
Clever name!
I was actually pondering this myself it other day. It could be interesting to see Ubers/OU mons taken down a peg.
Then again, by nerfing all good stats, it may just wind up as something akin to ZU or PU with extra steps?
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Although this is pretty interesting and funny to think about, i dont think oms that strictly nerf mons would be possibly aproved (ik its a joke idea but still should prolly mention it)
Anyways these 2 seem to be the most naturally bulky which i find funny for this format
For lando it is in the group of “mons uniquely screwed over by the om” with it’s speed stat being cut to 46 for being 1 over the quota, but otherwise this is litterally just lando but better at tanking hits seeing how the highest attack stat is 90 (Same for spa). For Zap, it is slightly less physically bulky but has better spdef and has recovery which may make it absurdly tanky.
There also a few pokemon that still have higher than or land right on 90 in a stat after halving which is fun, those being
for HP(
is close), 
For Atk and Spa (
is close for atk with 
close for spa), 
for Def, 
for spdef, and 
for speed.
Lastly,
You aren’t Ready (Phione) @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Acid Armor
- Take Heart
- Scald
- Ice Beam
Best setup sweeper in the format???? Maybe, probably not, but it’s still funny to think about
For lando it is in the group of “mons uniquely screwed over by the om” with it’s speed stat being cut to 46 for being 1 over the quota, but otherwise this is litterally just lando but better at tanking hits seeing how the highest attack stat is 90 (Same for spa). For Zap, it is slightly less physically bulky but has better spdef and has recovery which may make it absurdly tanky.
There also a few pokemon that still have higher than or land right on 90 in a stat after halving which is fun, those being
for HP( is close), For Atk and Spa ( is close for atk with close for spa), for Def, for spdef, and for speed.Lastly,
You aren’t Ready (Phione) @ Leftovers Ability: Hydration
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Acid Armor
- Take Heart
- Scald
- Ice Beam
Best setup sweeper in the format???? Maybe, probably not, but it’s still funny to think about
so one OM I've been thinking of is one i call, "Together Forever"
its like frantic fusion yes, but i believe it is different enough to be a different metagame,
the aspect would be like "as one" on calyrex where whatever pokemon its riding gets +20 to all stats other then hp and gains calyrex's primary type, i thought, what if that was on other mons? like what if Samurott-Hisui could ride Araqunid?
and that is what i plan to solve.
the way it works is if you nickname a pokemon another pokemon, for example nicknaming a Dondozo "Garganacl" would be Garganacl riding Dondozo would have the Water/Rock typeing and have access to both pokemons moves, it would have 2 abilities at once, you get to chose the ability of the ridden pokemon, but it chooses the first ability of the second half of the theoretical "as one" we have here.
limitations would be, 1 the pokemon being ridden would have to be taller/longer then the riding pokemon.
Obvious ban(s): Smeargle: having access to every move a man can dream of would be broken and having it on a ghost type would be broken, Huge power: self explanatory.
its like frantic fusion yes, but i believe it is different enough to be a different metagame,
the aspect would be like "as one" on calyrex where whatever pokemon its riding gets +20 to all stats other then hp and gains calyrex's primary type, i thought, what if that was on other mons? like what if Samurott-Hisui could ride Araqunid?
and that is what i plan to solve.
the way it works is if you nickname a pokemon another pokemon, for example nicknaming a Dondozo "Garganacl" would be Garganacl riding Dondozo would have the Water/Rock typeing and have access to both pokemons moves, it would have 2 abilities at once, you get to chose the ability of the ridden pokemon, but it chooses the first ability of the second half of the theoretical "as one" we have here.
limitations would be, 1 the pokemon being ridden would have to be taller/longer then the riding pokemon.
Obvious ban(s): Smeargle: having access to every move a man can dream of would be broken and having it on a ghost type would be broken, Huge power: self explanatory.
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here's an idea of an idea I was toying with in OM room a while back, and was curious whether something similar exists or if there is a good reason why it wouldn't work. It's quite simple:
- Dynamic Draft 8v8 -
Premise:
Instead of the usual "bring X, pick Y" that happens in team-preview stage, players will instead draft their pokemon mid-battle through switching. The first 4 pokemon out of 8 that you make active will be drafted to your team, and once you meet that threshold, the remaining 4 party members will immediately faint (or just become inaccessible). Team preview will still exist, but you will only be selecting the lead there.
Why is it bring 8, draft 4?
It seemed like the optimal number. 8 is large enough pool size to create uncertainty and mind-games for your opponent without creating an information over-load. If the pool is small, then drafts are predictable and there is no point to the altered mechanic. Also larger pool and draft sizes could lead to builds where you just withhold switches and drag the game too long.
Draft of 4 seems like the sweet spot to me. If smaller, you just get steam-rolled for picking a bad lead. I think, that effect is mitigated well enough when you have a team size of 4. Bring 6, pick 3 would be too similar to existing formats and could have that steam-rolling effect.
Bans:
OU Banlist + All phasing moves + Red Card + Revival Blessing
Explanation: Phasing just allows you to manipulate opposing team, and Revival Blessing ban to prevent bringing undrafted pokemon back to life, depending on how the threshold mechanics are implemented.
Questions for the community:
- Do you think this format would be playable and interesting?
- What do you think are the strategically optimal draft and pool sizes? Would something like "bring 10, draft 6" work better/worse?
- Also the elephant in the room here is that this OM makes player use the import function. Do you think that's enough of a red flag for this not to work? I'd like to think an average player knows about Custom Game to navigate through this, but instructions would probably have to be made very clear.
I also have no intention of submitting this right now, it is just for brainstorming. If anyone likes the idea, you can take it...
- Dynamic Draft 8v8 -
Premise:
Instead of the usual "bring X, pick Y" that happens in team-preview stage, players will instead draft their pokemon mid-battle through switching. The first 4 pokemon out of 8 that you make active will be drafted to your team, and once you meet that threshold, the remaining 4 party members will immediately faint (or just become inaccessible). Team preview will still exist, but you will only be selecting the lead there.
Why is it bring 8, draft 4?
It seemed like the optimal number. 8 is large enough pool size to create uncertainty and mind-games for your opponent without creating an information over-load. If the pool is small, then drafts are predictable and there is no point to the altered mechanic. Also larger pool and draft sizes could lead to builds where you just withhold switches and drag the game too long.
Draft of 4 seems like the sweet spot to me. If smaller, you just get steam-rolled for picking a bad lead. I think, that effect is mitigated well enough when you have a team size of 4. Bring 6, pick 3 would be too similar to existing formats and could have that steam-rolling effect.
Bans:
OU Banlist + All phasing moves + Red Card + Revival Blessing
Explanation: Phasing just allows you to manipulate opposing team, and Revival Blessing ban to prevent bringing undrafted pokemon back to life, depending on how the threshold mechanics are implemented.
Questions for the community:
- Do you think this format would be playable and interesting?
- What do you think are the strategically optimal draft and pool sizes? Would something like "bring 10, draft 6" work better/worse?
- Also the elephant in the room here is that this OM makes player use the import function. Do you think that's enough of a red flag for this not to work? I'd like to think an average player knows about Custom Game to navigate through this, but instructions would probably have to be made very clear.
I also have no intention of submitting this right now, it is just for brainstorming. If anyone likes the idea, you can take it...
I feel like beat up could be, really broken here, you get a super powerful dark type attack off lead and can also force a switch into a dark resist which can be easily taken advantage of. other then that, seems quite interesting if a little too similar to BSS or just regular ou (particularly in terms of viability)
Physical Miraidon, here we go.
So let me make sure I understand this correctly. Using an ability as a move gives you that ability and, if it's a switch in style ability, activates the effect immediately. How long exactly does this dual ability state last? Is it completely permanent or do you lose it on switchout similar to say, pokemoves?
Frankly there are quite a few "two ability oms" and I think you might need to come up with some spice of some sort to not be immediately compared to them.
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