Haxorus

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In a land where 130+ base stats were given away like candy on Halloween, this thing has just shown its face. It makes me wonder, has GameFreak gone too far with the stats?

One of the most proclaimed Pokemon out of Generation 5, Ononokusu is glaring at us with that badass looking axe face and we just can't look away. There's only one way to put it, this thing a BAMF! This thing boasts a monster 147 base attack stat, the second among non-legendaries behind only Rampardos. Wait...147...must be a typo. No, I'm so serious, 147 base attack. That also means that it has a STAB Outrage on par with Rayquaza. We've all seen what all the previous dragons have been able to do, specifically Garchomp and Salamence. How will our Axeface reshape the metagame? In a land where 130+ base stats were given away like candy on Halloween, has GameFreak gone too far?

Below, here are Ononokusu's sprite and learnset, read below to learn more about it.



As you see, this thing really is a BAMF. Here are some interesting facts about it below.

Pure Dragon typing: Ononokusu is special, we know that already. What makes it even cooler is its typing. We've seen Garchomp and Salamence in action, as well as Dragonite, Flygon, and even Altaria. All of them were kickass. However, they all had the same drawbacks, a 4x weakness to Ice. Ononokusu, unlike them is only 2x weak to Ice, this seems to present us with some new opportunities, no?

Taunt: Oh boy, this thing gets Taunt too? I'm smelling a real stallbreaker out of this. With Taunt, this monster finds new dimension, expect some of the competitive brains to find some way to turn Ononokusu into a set-up sweeper, if they can.

Outrage: Like I stated before, this thing has an Outrage on par with Rayquaza. At 147 base attack, Ononokusu's attack is only 3 base points less than Rayquaza's. At level 100 in optimal conditions, this thing can hit 432 base attack.

Ice and Dragon weaknesses: Being a dragon, unless your name is Kingdra, Weavile isn't exactly going to be your best friend. I know you don't like cold weather Axeface, so maybe some of your Dragon friends will be able to heat you up with some super-effective Dragon moves, maybe Dragon Pulse? Gl with those weaknesses, bro.

Frailty: Oh, this thing gets revenge killed easy by a lot of things. After Stealth Rock, CBZor OHKOs some sets that are listed below. Ononokusu isn't exactly Nattorel, who walls it to hell and back unless it has Taunt or Fire Fang.

Below, you'll see some sample sets for Ononokusu. If i haven't posted them already, they'll be up soon.



Learnable TMs: TM01 - Claw Sharpen, TM02 - Dragon Claw, TM05 - Roar, TM06 - Toxic, TM10 - Hidden Power, TM11 - Sunny Day, TM12 - Taunt, TM17 - Protect, TM18 - Rain Dance, TM21 - Frustration, TM27 - Return, TM28 - Dig, TM32 - Double Team, TM39 - Rock Tomb, TM40 - Aerial Ace, TM42 - Facade, TM44 - Rest, TM45 - Attract, TM48 - Troll, TM54 - False Swipe, TM56 - Fling, TM59 - Complete Burn, TM65 - Shadow Claw, TM66 - Payback, TM68 - Giga Impact, TM75 - Swords Dance, TM81 - X-Scissor, TM82 - Dragon Tail, TM84 - Poison Jab, TM87 - Swagger, TM90 - Substitute, TM94 - Rock Smash, HM01 - Cut, HM04 - Strength

Wow! for a dragon, i like it.

seems like a harder hitting, more fragile/slower dragon compared to chomp and mence.

but with 1 dragon dance this thing can be very dangerous if your not scarfed.

One thing also that differentiates it from his pseudo-legend counterparts is his lower base special attack, unlike dragonite/garchomp/salamence, you don't need to worry much about loosing a chunk from a draco meteor. I didn't know he got taunt though! I wonder if that would make him a better stall-breaker than mixmence. I also like the pure dragon typing.

Anyway, nice thread!

Khan!!! said:

Wow! for a dragon, i like it.

seems like a harder hitting, more fragile/slower dragon compared to chomp and mence.

but with 1 dragon dance this thing can be very dangerous if your not scarfed.

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Scarfed Pokemon below 97 speed won't be able to outspeed him after a DD, just felt like dropping this.

And this guy has a blowing 750+ Atk stat after a Swords Dance, and something like 500+ Attack after a DD, plus it has STAB Outrage, and maybe some poeple could even run Rivalry even though it's a sucky ability and oh boy how this guy will tear up teams..

The only thing i can see stopping it [assuming he can learn Earthquake by TM..] are ScarfGon and Weavile.. and those can only revenge-kill, not counter.

Machamp01 said:

One thing also that differentiates it from his pseudo-legend counterparts is his lower base special attack, unlike dragonite/garchomp/salamence, you don't need to worry much about loosing a chunk from a draco meteor. I didn't know he got taunt though! I wonder if that would make him a better stall-breaker than mixmence. I also like the pure dragon typing.

Anyway, nice thread!

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taunt is definitely a huge plus for this guy. that is one thing that distinguishes him as well. what did u mean buy not having to worry about taking a chunk from draco meteor?

if it doesnt get fire fang, i dont see it breaking through bronzong soon with that 60 base special attack

It has bad SpA. Draco Meteor will not hurt as much as if Mence/Chomp/Nite used it.

Anyway, Taunt+SD>stall for sure. (If stall existed)

How are SD/DD not interesting facts?

Skarmory and Nattorei seem to be pretty good checks to it once boosted. Scizor won't be fearing special attacks, so it will probably be quick to switch-in and attack it.

With DD, ScarfGon/Chomp and ScarfJirachi are threatening it, along with any new threats.
With SD, Sazando and faster can carry on with their business.

I think a CB set would be best for it.

Ononokusu@Choice Band
Jolly; 20 HP / 252 Atk / 236 Spe

Filler
Outrage
Earthquake
Dragon Claw

The speed is enough to outrun max speed+ base 95s such as Gliscor. Scout with Dragon Claw/Earthquake early on, pair it with a Magnezone/Shadaraa to kill steels, then come back later to rip everything a new one.

Arikado said:

The only thing i can see stopping it [assuming he can learn Earthquake by TM..] are ScarfGon and Weavile.. and those can only revenge-kill, not counter.

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maybe donphan would be able to take a hit and possibly KO it with ice shard.
same with mamoswine if you can catch him on his setup turn

Probably the coolest thing is rivalry. Since shoddy (and hopefully shoddy 2) sets all pokemon with the option to male, you get a free howl whenever you face a pokemon variable genders at the cost of weaker hits against blissey and cressilia. You think your skarm can take a dragon danced fire punch and whirlwind me? Sorry, your skarms male, so it's like I have 2 dragon dances. pwned.

Karpi said:

if it doesnt get fire fang, i dont see it breaking through bronzong soon with that 60 base special attack

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Assuming this guy has Earthquake it can shit on Bronzong all day.

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maybe donphan would be able to take a hit and possibly KO it with ice shard.
same with mamoswine if you can catch him on his setup turn

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Yeah, i forgot those two too.

Donphan's Ice Shard isn't a STAB though, so i'm not sure if it can kill Ononkuruso, but Banded Mamoswine or maybe even without a Band can do a lot using Ice Shard.

Ononokusu is unique also because of it's awesome ability (I'm obviously talking about Mold Breaker) and the fact that, except Rayquaza, it is the only other Dragon type able to learn Swords Dance as well as the Pokémon with the second highest attack able to learn that move.

I'm definately gonna try a Sub-SD/DD set with Dragon Claw and a filler move like Earthquake. Almost anything faster is going to take a ton of damage from a poké with 147 base Atk while it's best hope is to break the Substitute. Once its main counters are gone the sweep can be easily pulled off.

Ononokuso @ Choice Scarf/Choice Band
Jolly 4HP / 252 Atk/ 252 Spe

Outrage
Dragon Claw
Earthquake (ASSUMING he gets it as a TM)
Filler
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Ononokuso @ Haban Berry/Yache Berry/Leftovers
Jolly 4HP / 252 Atk/ 252 Spe

Swords Dance
Outrage
Earthquake (Again, ASSUMING he gets it)
Taunt
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Ononokuso @ Life Orb/ Yache Berry
Jolly 4HP / 252 Atk/ 252 Spe

Dragon Dance
Outrage
Earthquake (Assuming, again)
Taunt
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He is technically only walled by skarm (Unless there is another flying/steel now) because mold breaker negates bronzongs levitate ability... assuming (For the love of arceus get it!) he learns EQ.

Egg Moves:

Counter
Focus Energy
Reversal
Endure
Razor Wind
Night Slash
Endeavor
Iron Tail
Dragon Pulse
Harden

Ononokusu does get Earthquake as a TM.

Khan!!! said:

maybe donphan would be able to take a hit and possibly KO it with ice shard.
same with mamoswine if you can catch him on his setup turn

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I think that this will be the first pure Dragon type to see high level play. Unlike Dragonite, Salamence and Garchomp, it won't simply be taken down with a single ice attack.

I'd like to use Sub+SD+Salac with this pokemon, I think it's resistances will grant it many opportunities to do that.

Edit: @Pratty: Whew, that's a relief.

Earthquake isn't on the TM list in the OP..

What is this shit ??!?!

Alternate Dream World Ability: Anxiety (lol)

Learnable TMs: TM01 - Claw Sharpen, TM02 - Dragon Claw, TM05 - Roar, TM06 - Toxic, TM10 - Hidden Power, TM11 - Sunny Day, TM12 - Taunt, TM15 - Hyper Beam, TM17 - Protect, TM18 - Rain Dance, TM21 - Frustration, TM26 - Earthquake, TM27 - Return, TM28 - Dig, TM31 - Brick Break, TM32 - Double Team, TM39 - Rock Tomb, TM40 - Aerial Ace, TM42 - Facade, TM44 - Rest, TM45 - Attract, TM48 - Troll, TM52 - Focus Blast, TM54 - False Swipe, TM56 - Fling, TM59 - Complete Burn, TM65 - Shadow Claw, TM66 - Payback, TM68 - Giga Impact, TM75 - Swords Dance, TM78 - Smooth Over, TM80 - Rock Slide, TM81 - X-Scissor, TM82 - Dragon Tail, TM84 - Poison Jab, TM86 - Grass Knot, TM87 - Swagger, TM90 - Substitute, TM94 - Rock Smash, HM01 - Cut, HM03 - Surf, HM04 - Strength

Eh some sets I could think of.


Dancing Axeface:

Ononokusu@Life Orb/Haban Berry
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 Hp
Nature: Jolly
Movesets:
-Outrage
-Dragon Dance
-Dragon Claw
-Earthquake, or Fire Punch( if learnable).

Dragon Dance is obvious. Boosting Ononokusu's attack to unimaginable levels. Jolly is so that it can outspeed base 95s. Outrage is the fucking crux of this set. 120 Base Power move with STAB so 180. Dragon Claw is the other STAB so it doesn't get revenged by Weavile or Flygon. Earthquake is coverage, and with Mold Breaker rapes Brongzong and can hit Flygon on a switch. Fire Punch, if learnable, is great because it hits Skarmory too and hits Heatran for neutral because of Mold Breaker.


I'm in a fucking Band!

Ononokusu@Choice Band
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
Moveset:
-Dragon Claw
-Outrage
-Fire Punch if learnable.
-Earthquake

This set is just rape. Outrage and Dragon Claw are STABs, EQ and Fire Punch are coverage if Ononokusu can learn it.


Ononokusu@Haban Berry/Yache Berry
Trait: Mold Breaker.
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
Moveset:
Dragon Dnace
Taunt
Dragon Tail
Earthquake

Hell yes, with 2 DDs, Dragon Tail is like Scarf Whirlwind without - Priority

This pokemon is pretty damn beast. I mean SD and DD with a 147 base attack and 97 base speed. With 90 defense, and dragon typing not many priorities can take this out. It's 70 base sp. def isn't brilliant, however not many pokemon can outspeed it after 1 or 2 DD. This can fight on par with the ubers man,

Khan!!! said:

taunt is definitely a huge plus for this guy. that is one thing that distinguishes him as well. what did u mean buy not having to worry about taking a chunk from draco meteor?

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what i meant was, you don't really don't need to worry about switching into a draco meteor like you do with dragonite, salamence, and flygon

Of course one of the most dangerous Pokémon generation 5th has brought. Anyways, I'm thinking about a set like this:
Ononokusu @ Yache Berry
252 atk / 252 speed / 6 hp (or even the speed to outrun a certain Pokémon after a DD and the rest in HP)
Adamant / Jolly | Mold Breaker
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw / Taunt / Others

Yache Berry would be for all the powerful ice-shaders such as Mamoswine or Weavile, which could revenge-kill Ononokusu with a supereffective STAB priority. Be wary of the 100 base speed scarfers.

Mono Attacking (Swords Dance, Substitute, Taunt, Outrage/Dragon Claw) could actually be troublesome for a Skarmory that has taken a little prior damage, or is running Shed Shell. Brave Bird recoil, Stealth Rock, and a +4 Outrage really hurts.

Skarm only manages 43-51% (64 Atk) with Brave Bird, so you can Swords Dance as he breaks your Substitute, Swords Dance as he hits you with another Brave Bird, then rampage. In fact, you could even Sub once more for a berry boost. Or run Lum Berry to help with Outrage over Dragon Claw.

I think it's appropriate for the first post on this account to be in this topic. =)

I definitely think Ono and his ridiculous attack score can work well as a team centerpiece or supporting choice user. Like several people in here, when I saw that his speed was lower than base 100, (and, by extension, Garchomp,) my thoughts immediately flickered to Haban Berry. DD once on the switch, Scarf Flygon shows up smiling...and the attempt to revenge with Outrage is promptly met not with Ono's death, but a second Dragon Dance.

An immediate advantage to this is that you don't need Jolly nature, or even max speed, since you'll be going for two Dragon Dances every time. 263 speed is enough to beat Timid Scarf Gengar after two DDs, (an ambitious benchmark,) and that lets you run Adamant and leaves you 120 extra EVs to toss in your defensive stats. The use of Adamant allows you to hit over 860 attack after the two dances, too! No one wants to take an Outrage after that.

In set form:

Grown-Up Kibago @ Haban Berry
120 HP / 252 Attack / 136 Speed
Adamant | Mold Breaker (Rivalry is too risky, and Mold Breaker helps you run only Dragon/Ground)
- Dragon Dance
- Outrage
- Earthquake
- Taunt (predict a Thunder Wave or something of the sort and get another free turn, or use earlier in the match to mess with slower stall teams)

Sword Dance should be considered as well with berries (life orb probably isn't needed as much due to its sheer offensive prowess the thing already has) of either yache or haban. Sword Dance + Dragon Claw or Outrage is going to rip some...no it's going to rip everything apart. I'd probably almost always expect jolly to be the superior nature option over adamant since I feel like this meta's way too fast not to be a speed race with every mon being a speed whore (GF went crazy this gen lol).

Ononokusu@Haban/Yache/Life Orb
Jolly nature
252Atk/252spe/6HP (I am sure the EV system didn't change)
~ Sword Dance
~ Dragon Claw/Outrage (I'd probably go dragon claw since I hate locking myself onto outrage so meh outrage will almost certainly be the first move I'm sure for many people)
~ Earthquake
~ Taunt

With jolly nature, +2 Dragon Claw (with Life Orb) 2HKOs skarmory (wtf)
seriously...this thing...this pokemon is a beast rofl
if this thing got extremespeed in the future I am going to laugh