Now batting in the World Series of Pokemon Suspects: Shaymin-S!

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Skymin's up now, guys, and we want you to knock this one out of the park. The diamond this game will be played on should be familiar to you—it is merely the Standard Ladder, which previously featured Skymin and Deoxys-S as the only suspects, minus DX-S which was just given an "uber" Stage 2 label and thus removed from standard play.

As before, players will need to achieve the voting requirements of a minimum rating of 1655 and a maximum deviation of 65, and these requirements should be met on the Standard Ladder by November 29th to earn voting eligibility. We are considering lengthening the amount of time into December but don't get your hopes up—rather get those ratings up instead and take this Suspect Test seriously.

Use this thread to intelligently discuss your findings with Skymin in a metagame where at last it's the sole Suspect.


edit: as reflected above, the new requirements are a rating of at least 1655 and a deviation of at most 65
 
I'll keep it short and sweet.

With all of the reasons that we gave Garchomp and Deoxys-S the boot I really find Shymin-S underwhelming. Stealth Rock hurts it badly, mediocre size of a movepool, plenty of weaknesses to pick from, and with that you know what's coming.

Seed Flare only has 8 PP and I find that fairly easy to stall out. I know I am definitely going to vote OU when I get the chance.

One thing people need to use more is Scarfers that can just hurt it badly.

Edit: I've been testing it and against it and really I haven't had much trouble dealing with it nor great success when using it.

I do understand the importance of testing before any sort of banning or whatever, otherwise I wouldn't have made this thread.
 
Obviously you don't understand that the point of the suspect test is to get some experience with the game before you decide how to vote. Let's not follow that example everyone!
 
Just wondering, wouldn't it be smart to reset ratings? (I'm sure people will hate me for mentioning this lol). I feel that since everyone had to start from scratch for the other various suspects, we should even out the playing field again for standard ladder (unless we want a plethora of voters, which I am in favor for, since many people meet the requirement already).
 
Twist of Fate said:
Just wondering, wouldn't it be smart to reset ratings? (I'm sure people will hate me for mentioning this lol). I feel that since everyone had to start from scratch for the other various suspects, we should even out the playing field again for standard ladder (unless we want a plethora of voters, which I am in favor for, since many people meet the requirement already).
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That's not fair to people who don't care to participate in the test though. Some people just want to play to see how high up on the leaderboard they can go. It's basically like forcing them to participate in the test if everyone's rating get resetted.

I'd personally just keep everyone's ratings the way they are. As far as I'm concerned, if people are good enough to get their ratings up to that level now and keep it that way for an entire month, then they should be able to vote. The more voters the better IMO.
 
i dont see a threat in shaymin-s as of yet but in a month, who knows what will change in that time, its a new metagame, people my find things
 
Wow no suspect ladder this time, which actually works out great for me. I'm already at 1650+ but I'm trying not to play so as to concentrate on school work, and now I'll have more time to study. I can just log on a day or so during Thanksgiving break and bring my deviation down then (it's at 40.5 now). I don't know exactly what I'll vote yet though, maybe I should squeeze in a few games.
 
Looks like I meet the requirements now, hopefully I can keep them for a month, or more if it gets extended to December. My rating has been dropping like a rock lately, I dropped like 30 rankings on the leaderboard in only a day. I'm not sure what I'll be voting, since I hardly see any Skymins despite how hyped it is.
 
Twist of Fate said:
Just wondering, wouldn't it be smart to reset ratings? (I'm sure people will hate me for mentioning this lol). I feel that since everyone had to start from scratch for the other various suspects, we should even out the playing field again for standard ladder (unless we want a plethora of voters, which I am in favor for, since many people meet the requirement already).
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I wouldn't really see a need to reset standard ratings - I remember my Standard deviation was just below 60 for the Garchomp vote, and somewhere in the middle of the Deoxys-S testing period (so, after about 1.5-2 weeks) it was back up to 80. People will have to continue playing on standard a lot during the Shaymin-S test period, unless their standard deviation was abnormally low. And if their deviation was that low (while still carrying a decent rating), they'd have to have a substantial amount of experience anyways.

Also I'm glad to see that we're getting a full month - hopefully that'll increase the number of voters.
 
Fishin said:
Also I'm glad to see that we're getting a full month - hopefully that'll increase the number of voters.
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Not only that, but it was obvious that people were reluctant to ladder on suspect for the Deoxys-S vote. The suspect ladder was frequently inactive until a few days before the vote. This will allow everyone to meet their standard leaderboard agenda and still enable them to vote.
 
Bogmire said:
Looks like I meet the requirements now, hopefully I can keep them for a month, or more if it gets extended to December. My rating has been dropping like a rock lately, I dropped like 30 rankings on the leaderboard in only a day. I'm not sure what I'll be voting, since I hardly see any Skymins despite how hyped it is.
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I just got haxed to hell by one today, and there's nothing I could do about it.
 
I think the ratings should be reset, some people already have well over what's needed and the whole point of this is to get people to experience both sides, and leaving the ratings will encourage those who have them already not to battle much at all on the ladder. Or so I'd think.
EDIT: because there's a new suspect, you should have to actually experience the ladder...
 
Why have the ratings reset? It's unfair to battlers that don't want to participate in the vote, and there's no reason to. If you've got to that rating you earned it. Why earn it over and over again?

Whew, we don't have to get suspect to 1650. That's a relief.
 
Sounds fun. Ratings shouldn't be reset. If they're up there already, then keeping it will be enough requirement IMO. They have experience, they'll know a lot on the issue even if they avoid playing much.

As far as Skymin goes, I've been 6-0'd by that thing twice. I'm aware that it was lack of preparation on my account, but that's a tad ridiculous if you ask me. My opinion of this thing may change in the coming month however. We shall see.
 
in regards to having the rating reset
Reasons are
It's unfair to battlers that don't want to participate in the vote, and there's no reason to. If you've got to that rating you earned it. Why earn it over and over again?
well as said above, if you have said hi rating, then your not forced to participate as much as lets say a new comer. So while you have more experience, are you truly testing? Granted because this is lasting a month, it is very unlikely that this will happen, but it is possible, and so preteneding you had such a high score from Deoxys-S, and just coasted this month for skymin, your vote could be legal, and accepted, but there is no proof you actually did any work. And does what the first reply does, takes your mind set and stays with it without any testing

Now to the other reason, ok let people keep there rating, but make everyone who wants to test make another alt
EX)
Main: Antman, i can keep this score as long as I want and come to the vote it will be excepted,
but for the next vote, the user name Antman will not be valid for voting
So if I make an Alt Antman2, I can keep my main and then prove I did testing in the ladder.
It is not hard to compare two lists together to see if any of the names match each other (manually or programmingly)

in which case, a "rating reset" is highly possible, and while I have no side to wether or not it should or should not happen, it is highly doable without major effect to the people who want to keep there rating and don't want to vote
 
I say reset the ratings. It's the only way to ensure fairness in the test, to be honest, plus if someone's truly good they can just reladder back to the top. It takes about a day or so...

Regardless of skill, everyone should have the same amount of experience battling Sky Shaymin before making a call.
 
Chris is me said:
I say reset the ratings. It's the only way to ensure fairness in the test, to be honest, plus if someone's truly good they can just reladder back to the top. It takes about a day or so...

Regardless of skill, everyone should have the same amount of experience battling Sky Shaymin before making a call.
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Uh, so you'd be okay if someone made you waste a day just to get back what you had before if you didn't care about voting? I don't know about you, but a lot can happen in 24 hours, I'd much rather not waste an entire day if I didn't care about suspect testing.
 
Chris is me said:
I say reset the ratings. It's the only way to ensure fairness in the test, to be honest, plus if someone's truly good they can just reladder back to the top. It takes about a day or so...

Regardless of skill, everyone should have the same amount of experience battling Sky Shaymin before making a call.
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Chances are that people who are top in the ladder with Deoxys will remain top without Deoxys. That's because of the skill of the actual players. If someone copes better with the changes, his/her rating will increase as he/she plays. It will be very annoying for everyone's hard battling efforts to be wasted by rating reseting.
 
Ratings will not be reset. You can stop talking about that. If people who meet the requirements now stop playing for the next month, you can be quite sure that they will fall below the threshold. Obviously people will have to continue to play under the new conditions if they are to maintain their voting eligibility... thus qualifying them as someone with adequate knowledge to cast a vote. Yes, these people may not need to put quite as much time in as others... but that is the benefit you get from being a consistently active and successful player. Also, let's not pretend that the ladder now is vastly different from when dx-s was on it... prior experience and general expertise matter.
 
I have been extremely unimpressed with Skymin.

Serene Grace is a really overrated ability. In my experiences, if Serene Grace does not activate, Skymin suffers an extremely quick and painful death. It NEEDS that spdef drop and flinch multiple times in a row, or else it is going to lose to anything that can hit it. It can't even OHKO most things that are weak to its STAB, and it is very easily revenge killed. Even though things like Swampert can only do ~20% to Skymin, when you add SR damage, thats almost 50% of your health gone before you even attack.

If you want a flincher, Togekiss is better with its far superior typing and defenses and T-Wave and ROOST. Togekiss can afford to not flinch its opponent, whereas Skymin can not. If you want a Grass-type, Skymin is outclassed by Celebi (Calm Mind, Recover).

Skymin is just a solid special sweeper that happens to run an annoyer set as well. If there were 5 moveslots, or if Skymin got Roost, I have no doubt that it would be Uber. Unfortunately, in practice, Skymin is not that great. There is a reason why Special Sweepers are not good in OU and Skymin exemplfies it.
 
4 times out of 5 to get the spdef drop, id take my chances

but yes, i agree with JR.... with the notion that special sweepers are outnumbered by physical attackers, there are just not that many of them

I think Skymin was never meant to be a serious stayer in OU, it was just to give people some fun toying around with its insane base 127 speed and Serene Grace

I could say i have never used Skymin because I was never one to follow the trend, and opposing Skymins were annoying at first because i didnt know how to deal with them. Then after a while all Skymin users basically use the same Skymin, because there are only so many move choices plus a Hidden Power.

But with Skymin gone, I no longer have to bang my head against walls against the SubSeed set, which took 3 years to kill if it caught me on a switch, despite being so frail.
 
Me personally have had no issues with Skymin, sure its super fast, and has the Flinch/SDef rates of a god, but it's gimmicky at best and anything resistant to it's to stab moves have a good chance of crushing, Lucario for example beats the standard Air Slash/Seed Flare/Substitute/Leech Seed, resisting Seed Flare taking average damage from Air Slash, w/ Inner Focus or Stead fast it easily KOED by Ice Punch/Stone Edge. All scarfed Ice Beamers beat it aswell, since most dont even bother carrying scarves, and the fact that both attacks have un-perfect accuracy, and not a 100% rate of success, pure luck, but no to the point where it over powers just takes preparation.
 
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