Virtually ALL of these numbers came from this Magic Speed Numbers thread that Mekkah* posted in the D/P analyses forum. I decided to make a “speed tiers” list out of it, like the one in this guide (search “S6.4”) that I’ve always found handy. (Basically all I did was to re-order them. Meh.)
You may also want to see the Ubers Speed Tiers list.
Please read each heading in the post before asking questions.
Tier 0 (CS Users, and >130 base speed)
+nature/252: A pokemon with a beneficial speed nature, and 252 EVs in Speed.
252: A pokemon with a neutral speed nature, and 252 EVs in Speed.
CS: A pokemon holding a Choice Scarf.
One DD: A pokemon before or after one speed boost.
Two DDs: A pokemon before or after two speed boosts. Remember two speed boosts is equal to one use of Rock Polish/Agility.
(130): A pokemon with 130 base speed.
no-speed: The pokemon does not have a beneficial speed nature, or any speed EVs.
-nature/31IV: The pokemon has a nature that reduces its speed, but has 31 IVs in speed.
-nature/0IV: The pokemon has a nature that reduces its speed, and also has 0 IVs in speed.
How to use this list: Find the poke you’re building, and see how high on the list it can hit (searching on the page helps). Then, see how far you can go down the list without losing to someone you want to outspeed.
For example: Jolly (+Speed, -Sp.Atk) Garchomp with 252 EVs can hit 333 speed. But the next highest group is at 329 speed (neutral-nature Azelf/Starmie). So Jolly Garchomp can safely run 330 speed (240 EVs) and never lose any extra matchups.
Serebii’s D/P Stat Calculator lets you figure out how many EVs you’ll need to hit a certain speed. It’s also useful if you have a pokemon with a less than 31 IV in speed, or if your specific pokemon isn’t listed. However, keep in mind: if your pokemon has less than a 31 IV in speed, you will never be able to hit a +nature/252 speed listed for your poke!
Dragon Dance: you can find a target speed you’d like to hit after one Dragon Dance, and then multiply that target speed by 2/3. Rounding up the result will give your desired starting speed.
So if you wanted to hit 404 speed after one Dragon Dance (outspeed CS 252 Heracross), type this into your calculator:
404 * 2 / 3
to get 269.33 -> which is 270 speed.
Rock Polish/Agility/Swift Swim: you can choose a target speed after one use (or in the rain), and then divide in half. Rounding up the result will give your desired starting speed.
So if you wanted to hit 419 speed after one use (outspeed CS 252 Moltres, Lucario, PorygonZ), half of that is 209.5 -> so you’d want 210 speed.
You may also want to see the Ubers Speed Tiers list.
Please read each heading in the post before asking questions.
Tier 0 (CS Users, and >130 base speed)
- 538 - CS 252 Aerodactyl (130)
- 523 - CS 252 Weavile (125)
- 478 - CS 252 Gengar, Tauros, Espeon (110)
- 475 - Motor Drive +nature/252 Electivire (95)
- 460 - +nature/252 Ninjask (160)
- 459 - CS +nature/252 Moltres, Lucario, PorygonZ, Zangoose (90)
- 458 - Quick Feet +nature/252 Ursaring (55)
- 454 - CS 252 Garchomp (102)
- 448 - CS 252 Zapdos, Celebi, Slaking, Flygon, Salamence, Jirachi, Staraptor, Manaphy, Shaymin, Charizard, Salac Berry BellyZard (100)
- 442 - CS +nature/252 Heracross, Suicune, Kingdra (85)
- 433 - Motor Drive 252 Electivire (95)
- 430 - Rock Polish from 215 speed (Rock Polish Rampardos)
- 430 - CS +nature/252 Gyarados (81) lol
- 426 - CS +nature/252 Dragonite, Blaziken, Gardevoir, Medicham, Togekiss, Mamoswine (80)
- 419 - 252 Ninjask (160)
- 418 - CS 252 Moltres, Lucario, PorygonZ, Zangoose, Salac Berry Lucario, Quick Feet 252 Ursaring (90)
- 417 - CS +nature/252 Heatran (77)
- 405 - One DD from 270 speed (outspeeds CS Heracross)
- 404 - Two DDs from 202 speed (or Rock Polish/Agility) (outspeeds CS Heracross), AgiliGross, Swift Swim Ludicolo
- 403 - CS 252 Heracross, Suicune, Kingdra (85)
- 396 - One DD from 264 speed (outspeeds all base 130s)
- 396 - Two DDs from 198 speed (outspeeds all base 130s)
- 394 - +nature/252 Jolteon, Crobat, Aerodactyl (130)
- 383 - +nature/252 Swellow, Weavile (125)
- 379 - CS 252 Heatran (77)
- 372 - +nature/252 Dugtrio, Alakazam, Sceptile (120)
- 366 - One DD from 244 speed (outspeeds all base 115s and 252-speed base 130s)
- 361 - +nature/252 Raikou, Azelf, Ambipom, Starmie (115)
- 359 - 252 Jolteon, Crobat, Aerodactyl (130)
- 350 - +nature/252 Gengar, Tauros, Espeon (110)
- 349 - 252 Swellow, Weavile (125)
- 346 - +nature/252 Infernape (108 )
- 339 - +nature/252 Mismagius (105)
- 339 - 252 Alakazam, Dugtrio, Sceptile (120)
- 334 - One DD from 223 speed (outspeeds all base 100s, Garchomp, and 252-speed base 115s), BulkyGyara
- 333 - +nature/252 Garchomp (102)
- 329 - 252 Raikou, Ambipom, Azelf, Starmie (115)
- 328 - +nature/252 Zapdos, Celebi, Slaking, Flygon, Salamence, Jirachi, Regigigas, Staraptor, Manaphy, Shaymin (100)
- 319 - 252 Gengar, Tauros, Espeon (110)
- 317 - +nature/252 Houndoom, Jynx, Drapion, Yanmega, Leafeon, Gliscor, Uxie, Electivire (95)
- 315 - 252 Infernape (108 )
- 309 - 252 Mismagius (105)
- 306 - +nature/252 Moltres, Lucario, Pikachu, PorygonZ, Roserade, Zangoose (90)
- 303 - 252 Garchomp (102)
- 299 - 252 Zapdos, Celebi, Slaking, Flygon, Salamence, Jirachi, Regigigas, Staraptor, Manaphy, Shaymin (100)
- 295 - +nature/252 Heracross, Suicune, Kingdra (85)
- 289 - 252 Houndoom, Jynx, Drapion, Yanmega, Leafeon, Gliscor, Uxie, Electivire (95)
- 287 - +nature/252 Gyarados (81)
- 284 - +nature/252 Dragonite, Blaziken, Gardevoir, Medicham, Mesprit, Togekiss, Mamoswine (80)
- 279 - 252 Moltres, Lucario, Pikachu, PorygonZ, Roserade, Zangoose (90)
- 278 - +nature/252 Heatran (77)
- 273 - +nature/252 Smeargle (75)
- 270 - One DD hits 405 (outspeeds CS 252 Heracross (85))
- 269 - 252 Heracross, Suicune, Toxicroak, Ledian (85)
- 265 - +nature/252 Honchkrow (71)
- 264 - One DD hits 396 (outspeeds +nature/252 base 130s)
- 262 - +nature/252 Breloom, Skarmory, Metagross (70)
- 261 - 252 Gyarados (81)
- 259 - 252 Dragonite, Blaziken, Gardevoir, Medicham, Mesprit, Togekiss, Mamoswine (80)
- 253 - 252 Heatran (77)
- 246 - no-speed Mismagius (105)
- 244 - One DD hits 366 (outspeeds +nature/252 base 115s, and 252 base 130s)
- 243 - +nature/252 Tyranitar (61)
- 241 - 252 Honchkrow (71)
- 239 - 252 Breloom, Skarmory, Metagross (70)
- 236 - +nature/252 Rampardos (58 )
- 236 - no-speed Zapdos, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Shaymin, Miltank (100)
- 226 - no-speed Gliscor, Leafeon, Uxie (95)
- 223 - One DD hits 334 (outspeeds all base 100s, Garchomp, and 252-speed base 115s), BulkyGyara
- 221 - 252 Tyranitar (61)
- 216 - no-speed Moltres, Lucario (90)
- 215 - 252 Rampardos (58 )
- 207 - +nature/252 Marowak (45)
- 206 - no-speed Heracross, Suicune (85)
- 202 - Two DDs (or one Rock Polish/Agility) hits 404 speed (outspeeds CS Heracross)
- 198 - no-speed Gyarados, Milotic (81)
- 198 - Two DDs (or one Rock Polish/Agility) hits 396 speed (outspeeds +nature/252 base 130s)
- 196 - no-speed Mamoswine, Gardevoir, Dragonite (80)
- 190 - no-speed Heatran (77)
- 189 - 252 Marowak (45)
- 176 - no-speed Skarmory, Breloom, Metagross, Cloyster, Ludicolo (70)
- 166 - no-speed Vaporeon, Umbreon, Scizor (65)
- 158 - no-speed Tyranitar (61)
- 156 - no-speed Swampert, Porygon2, Magnezone, Weezing (60)
- 152 - no-speed Rampardos (58 )
- 146 - no-speed Blissey (55)
- 140 - -nature/31IV Mixpert, Weezing, Magnezone(60)
- 136 - no-speed Tangrowth, Lickilicky, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Donphan (50)
- 126 - no-speed Dusknoir, Marowak (45)
- 116 - no-speed Rhyperior (40)
- 106 - no-speed Spiritomb (35)
- 102 - no-speed Bronzong (33)
- 98 - no-speed Bidoof (31)
- 96 - no-speed Snorlax, Slowbro, Steelix (30)
- 85 - -nature/0IV Trick Room Dusknoir
- 63 - -nature/0IV Trick Room Bronzong
+nature/252: A pokemon with a beneficial speed nature, and 252 EVs in Speed.
252: A pokemon with a neutral speed nature, and 252 EVs in Speed.
CS: A pokemon holding a Choice Scarf.
One DD: A pokemon before or after one speed boost.
Two DDs: A pokemon before or after two speed boosts. Remember two speed boosts is equal to one use of Rock Polish/Agility.
(130): A pokemon with 130 base speed.
no-speed: The pokemon does not have a beneficial speed nature, or any speed EVs.
-nature/31IV: The pokemon has a nature that reduces its speed, but has 31 IVs in speed.
-nature/0IV: The pokemon has a nature that reduces its speed, and also has 0 IVs in speed.
How to use this list: Find the poke you’re building, and see how high on the list it can hit (searching on the page helps). Then, see how far you can go down the list without losing to someone you want to outspeed.
For example: Jolly (+Speed, -Sp.Atk) Garchomp with 252 EVs can hit 333 speed. But the next highest group is at 329 speed (neutral-nature Azelf/Starmie). So Jolly Garchomp can safely run 330 speed (240 EVs) and never lose any extra matchups.
Serebii’s D/P Stat Calculator lets you figure out how many EVs you’ll need to hit a certain speed. It’s also useful if you have a pokemon with a less than 31 IV in speed, or if your specific pokemon isn’t listed. However, keep in mind: if your pokemon has less than a 31 IV in speed, you will never be able to hit a +nature/252 speed listed for your poke!
Dragon Dance: you can find a target speed you’d like to hit after one Dragon Dance, and then multiply that target speed by 2/3. Rounding up the result will give your desired starting speed.
So if you wanted to hit 404 speed after one Dragon Dance (outspeed CS 252 Heracross), type this into your calculator:
404 * 2 / 3
to get 269.33 -> which is 270 speed.
Rock Polish/Agility/Swift Swim: you can choose a target speed after one use (or in the rain), and then divide in half. Rounding up the result will give your desired starting speed.
So if you wanted to hit 419 speed after one use (outspeed CS 252 Moltres, Lucario, PorygonZ), half of that is 209.5 -> so you’d want 210 speed.
