Sunny Fire - OU Sun Team

Hello Everyone, It's me again with the third version of my "Sunny Fire" Team. As you know, I have been using Sun since a very long Time and I've already used almost every Pokemon who can benefit from Sun at one point or another trying to improve it while at the same time I have been checking every other Sun Team RMT to see how other players use Sun and what can I learn from them. So, without further ado, let'ss take a look at the team.


I ussualy don't post a Team Building Process because...Well, that would take forever because, like I said before, I tested every Sun Pokemon at one point or another. Venusaur, Sawsbuck, Victreebel, Heatran, Arcanine, Volcarona, Infernape, Darmanitan, Victini, Latias, Cresselia, Xatu, Donphan, Salamence and many others...So, as you can see, it's a very, very long list. So let's just get started with the team already.

Threatlist​

If Sun isn't up Choice Scarf Landorus is a big problem for my team, specially when he is leading because, at that point in the game, I don't have anything A) Faster than him or B) Able to tank a hit and OHKO with Hidden Power Ice...So I have to play arround him until Lilligant can revenge kill him.

Just like Landorus I don't know what to do against leading Garchomp. Forretress can 2HKO him with HP ice but Garchomp ussualy carries Fire Fang/Fire Blast and that's a OHKO...

Right now those two are the most troublesome Pokemon for my team, I'll be updating this section once new threats are discovered.

Final Words​

I really like this version of "Sunny Fire" specially with the adition of Lilligant, a very underrated Pokemon in my opinion. But as you can see, I still have a long way to go if I want to get to the Top 100 in the ladder...But I wont give up. My dream is to create a Sun Team as Succesfull as Lavos Spawn's Simulation of a Drought and to one day have it featured in The Smog...That's why I need your help to keep improving not only the team, but myself as a player so I can achieve my dream so please rate my team.

Hi Kusanagi Dark,

first of all, I have to say I love your Dugtrio and your Lilligant as they are pretty much not very OU (even Dugtrio, even though he is OU, ya get what I am blabbering? :D) and that makes a team unique :).
So don't let people persuade you not to use them.

Ok so let's get it started:

I honestly can't see the reason behind your Ninetails carrying Sunny Day even though you explained it. Honestly you don't wanna stay in as Ninetails against any weather inducer. Hydro Pumps from Politoed still hurts as hell, if he has SpA investment. Even if we are talking about 0 SpA EVs investments it still does 24.64 - 29.79% in the sun with your defensive EV sprea, which is decent while you can do less in return. A lot of Politoeds carry SpA EVs these days though. And have I mentioned T-Tar?
I would go for Hypnosis over Sunny Day. It is only gimmick, but hell what a useful one and Hypnosis + Roar with Stealth Rock AND Spikes? Damn cool :D.

When you have Hypnosis on Ninetails, Sleep Powder on Lilligant is not necessary anymore. I would strongly suggest you replace it with Quiver Dance here, it's just too good not to use.

And now something that you have to test, to see if it actually benefits your team like it does on the paper: Replace your Volcarona with a Gengar.

@Expert Belt/(Leftovers also viable)
Nature: Timid (-Atk, +Spe)
EVs: 4 HP, 252 SpA, 252 Spe
- Substitute
- HP Ice
- Shadow Ball
- Focus Blast

Like I said it, it sounds so great on the paper:
+ It outspeeds Garchomp and can switch in to any Earthquakes/EarthPowers and even U-Turn even though u lose the momentum here.
+ You have both Stealth Rocks and Spikes and additionally a tanky Roar-User. Spinblocker anyone?
+ You get one more answer to Heatran, who seriously spits on your team (except Dugtrio).
+ He can do nearly everything that Volcarona does (hitting on the special side, taking Fighting Type Moves but additionally Normal Type and Earth Type Moves).
+ He is not weak to Stealth Rocks.
+ He can Revenge Kill with HP Ice your said Threats and more.
- You get walled by Blissey. :S Don't see her that often anymore though. But then again they are Setup Fodder and you have Dugtrio.
- He is less effective against Scizor compared to Volcarona.

Ok that's it from my side :)

Edit: I am sure you meant 8 SpA on Ninetails and not Atk!^^

Hey man!

I really like the use of Lilligant, she's a very underrated Pokemon nowadays but she can work very well.

However, looking at your team, I see that both Garchomp and Landorus are big threats for your team, as you already said. Garchomp can setup a Sword Dance and then can smash your whole team and Landorus can, in a similar way, setup a Rock Polish, outspeeed your whole team and give you a lots of problems with its coverage moves. Therefore, I suggest you to use Cresselia instead of Volcarona, which is certainly a good Pokemon but it's the most useless in your team I think. Cresselia would give you a very very good check to both Garchomp and Landorus and good check to Dragon-types such as opposing Dragonite and Salamence which can bypass Forretress, your only resistor to strong Dragon-type moves, with Fire-type moves and to Terrakion as well, which is one of most threatening sweeper right now and another check to him is always good. Remaining on the topic of Cresselia, I'd use a classic EV spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD, with a moveset of Moonlight, Psychic, Ice Beam and Thunder Wave, with a Bold nature and with Leftovers of course. If you decide to use Cresselia instead of Volcarona, you may try to change Lilligant's set in a Quiver Dance one, because you're probably using this set on Lilligant to support mainly Volcarona, so if you replace it, a Quiver Dance one should work better on your team since if you decide to replace Volcarona you haven't more a real Special Sweeper, which is somewhat bad for your current team since if you lack a Special Sweeper you would have some problem to beat some strong physical walls. If you want to try Quiver Dance Lilligant, then use a standard EV spread of 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe, with a moveset of Quiver Dance, Sleep Powder, Giga Drain and Hidden Power Ice, with a Timid nature and with Life Orb, Lum Berry or Leftovers as item, they're all good items on Lilligant so try all of them and use the one you prefer.

Good luck =)

Hey there!

This seems like a pretty standard team. However, there are a few problems you should address. First off, this team is quite weak to Sand. It's not only that your sweepers have no way of getting past pokemon like SpDef Hippo safely, a vast majority of your team is weak to EdgeQuake- making the team itself weak to Sand sweepers like Terrakion or Landorus-I. Forretress is the only one that can possibly take a hit, yet it too can be worn down if offensive pressure and hazards are applied by your opponent. This itself branches into many different other problems as if Forretress constantly needs to be used to check Dragons / Rock types it won't be able to spin as frequently as your team needs it to. For example, if a Scarf Terrakion were to switch in to Dragonite, your team would have quite a lot of trouble on its hands, as you'll either have to sacrifice Dnite and make Duggy take 70% damage from the Stone Edge in order to trap it, or you'd have to constantly switch in Forretress, who really can't do anything otherwise, in order to sponge the attacks. So, tldr, I think Forretress is carrying too much weight, and that a few changes need to be made so you're not crushed by any team with more than one sweeper with Stone Edge.

To help you deal with Terrakion, I think you should definitely try Gyro Ball over HP Ice on Forretress. Gyro Ball allows you to hit a multitude of Sand sweepers that you need to cover on your team, mainly Terrakion and RP Lando, both of whom you 2HKO at least. With this change, Garchomp may stand out as a threat, but if worst comes to worst using Lilligant to check it is very possible. With this change, SpA evs are no longer necessary, so you can give it a spread of 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def Relaxed, for added layers of defense to help tank Sand sweeper attacks.

Next, to give you some more offensive security to that you can sweep before opposing threats can react, I would definitely try Giga Drain and Quiver Dance over Leaf Storm and Healing Wish on Lilligant. Right now, you're using Lilligant in a sacrificial sort of way- as I see you have many recoil moves as well as a self KO as support move in Healing Wish. However, I'm not too sure this is the best way to handle things. Lilligant is literally your ownly answer to bulky water types, as none of the other members of the team can hit past them / take a Scald burn. Forcing Lilligant to become nigh useless after just one attack is not a good idea, as sacking her would make water types a lot harder to defeat. That's why Giga Drain is better than Leaf Storm (it also grants Recovery, making Lilligant last longer!). I think Quiver Dance would also be a lot more useful than Healing Wish as it give Lilligant the ability to sweep even should her Sun be taken down. It also boosts her special attack and bulk, giving her destructive power to easily OHKO Sand sweepers. These changes will turn Lilligant from a one shot bomb into a fearsome, long lasting sweeper.

Now, I think there's a bigger change that you can try that will definitely help your team not only beat Sand but also supply you with a powerful, semi-fast wallbreaker that can also tank a few resisted hits here or there. I think you should try SubSalac Garchomp instead of your Dragonite.


Garchomp @ Salac Berry
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe / Jolly
Substitute / Swords Dance / Outrage / Earthquake

While this may seem like a weird suggestion at first, it does have quite a few perks that I'd like you to consider before rejecting the idea. First off, Garchomp handles Sand teams a LOT better than Dragonite, which is one of the main reasons why I think this set would help. Chomp is also bulkier and faster / more powerful initially, making it a great early sweeper / late game cleaner. It's not weak to Stealth Rock like Dragonite is, and it actually has pretty great synergy with Volcarona, both offensively and defensively. Garchomp can easily set up on Choice locked opponets, grab a Sub, set up Swords Dance, and proceed to sweep with near perfect coverage, letting it clean up easily when Steel types and faster Dragons like Lati@s are removed by Volcarona. Substitute and Swords Dance are Garchomp's setup moves- letting it hide safely behind a sub as it forces switches and sets up. With a Salac Berry, Garchomp gains the ability to boost its speed temporarily- making it an even harder to beat sweeper. Outrage is its STAB move, and has explosive power when steel types are removed. Earthquake is secondary STAB, and almost as powerful with no drawbacks. It also smashes Steel and Rock types, especially Heatran, for Volcarona / Lilligant. It also easily defeats Scarf Landorus after a Salac Boost, KO'ing it with Outrage (and the same with ScarfChomp, should they switch in to predicted SD's or something). Chomp has the potential to help this team a lot, so I really think you should consider it!

It's possible that, however, you don't agree with the Garchomp change. However, I definitely urge you to change everything else I've covered, as I'm sure they will help this team improve.

Nice team. Good luck!

Hey Guys. Sorry for taking so long to reply but I wasn't able to play Pokemon Showdown in a while to test your suggestions.

First of all, I've already Changed Lilligants Moveset to include Quiver Dance and Giga Drain and that have worked wonders for me. Not Only Lilligant and Volcarona can open up sweeps for each other, but she, unlike Venusaur, performs well under Rain and Sands thanks to Quiver Dance, boosting her speed outside of sun. I also replaced Hidden Power with Gyro Ball on my Forretress and changes the EV Spread.

I liked Cresselia at first since she was a Good Answer against Landorus and Garchomp...But replacing Volcarona in her favor left me with a Weakness against Scizor who could switch in for free and U-Turn, or Worst, Swords Dance while my only Answers against him were Ninetales who I don't want to take unnecesary Damage and Dragonite, breaking his Multiscale in the process...

Gengar Sounds Good but...A Little too frail to my liking and I need something that can take hits. So I didn't really tested him.

Finnaly, Garchomp was working well for me but I was still struggling against Leading Landorus...But then I had an idea.



Gastrodon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def/ 172 SDef
Sassy Nature
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Recover
- Toxic

With Gastrodon replacing Dragonite my team now not only has an answer against Leading Landorus and Garchomp. But to Rotom-W, Politoed, Choice Scarf Latios and Choice Scarf Keldeo. But that's not all, Gastrodon, Lilligant and Volcarona had Good Defensive Synergy with Each Other.

Gastrodon can take Fire Attacks aimed at Lilligant and Water and Rock attacks aimed at Volcarona who can take Grass Attacks aimed at Gastrodon and Ice, Bug and Poison Attacks aimed at Lilligant.

So...What do you think? Should I keep Gastrodon or switch him for another Pokemon?