Then that's probably a leftover from gen 4, as their page on the iron ball claims that:
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Metagross (Trick + Iron Ball) [GP 2/2]
- Thread starter Cherub Agent
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Then that's probably a leftover from gen 4, as their page on the iron ball claims that:
Haxorus didn't have Choice Band, Iron Ball is a clear ticket to getting past Skarmory.
On the Iron Ball set should we run 8 more Speed EV's? Without those extra 8 your outsped by Ferrothorn with Iron Ball. It's very niche, but it prevents the opponent from setting up another layer of Spikes if its at low health and you can KO with EQ.
Edit: My bad its 36 EV's in total.
Sure, it seems like a good idea to me.
Does anybody got information on how Ring Target works exactly?
It could be an intresting alternative, but i don't know how it works exactly and i can't find more expansive information about it.
Edit: just saw in the research thread that it doesn't cancels out ability immunities wich makes it imo completly inferior.
It could be an intresting alternative, but i don't know how it works exactly and i can't find more expansive information about it.
Edit: just saw in the research thread that it doesn't cancels out ability immunities wich makes it imo completly inferior.
forgive me for bumping this, but could QC please take a look at this?
probably, so that they can "outspeed" OTR Reuniclus, and stall two turns with Protect, and to be able to hit it with Power Whip. I'm just guessing here though.
No, most ferrothorn run min speed for the hell of it, even if they're not running gyro ball...I don't know why, I just know it happens
It is indeed for Trick Room, as being able to outrun OTR Reuniclus in Trick Room is a big advantage since all you have to do is lower the Speed of a Pokemon that won't be outspeeding anything anyway. Also, a minor nitpick, for the EVs of the set, you put 252 Att. It should be Atk. The set itself is solid.
oh right, thanks for that SIU
I hate bumping, and I'm sorry, but with the new QC members around this could be approved and written shortly
The bolded part in red is confusing - why would Metagross have LO / CB? The main targets are defensive pivots, such as Skarmory, Rotom-W, and Bronzong, so Metagross wont be receiving those items for the most part. Mentioning those 2 items are unnecessary, since it is very situational.
Also just reminding you to add Hammer Arm in AC for Ferrothorn. Bullet Punch is also worthy of an AC metion, bypassing the speed drop from Iron Ball to pick off Terrakion, Gengar, Latios, etc.
Otherwise, nice analysis - thanks for being patient with us, Cherub Agent :)
QC Approved (2/3)
thanks a lot Pocket. Regardless, there was nothing really to be patient about, you just got the job lol. Anyway, you're such a polite guy :) Made the changes
My pleasure, Cherub Agent :p Actually I have more suggestions for Teammates and Counters:
Mention Ferrothorn (when using Meta w/o Hammer Arm), Forretress, and SD Roost Scizor as potential problematic mons that can switch into Metagross without worrying about Iron Ball.
Bulky Water-types, such as Gastrodon, Jellicent, and Politoed can also shrug off EQs and threaten Metagross with a burn.
Electric-types such as Rotom-W (w/ HP Fire) and Zapdos, as well as Grass-types, such as Celebi (w/ HP Fire) and CM Virizion can help deal with such threats.
Mention Ferrothorn (when using Meta w/o Hammer Arm), Forretress, and SD Roost Scizor as potential problematic mons that can switch into Metagross without worrying about Iron Ball.
Bulky Water-types, such as Gastrodon, Jellicent, and Politoed can also shrug off EQs and threaten Metagross with a burn.
Electric-types such as Rotom-W (w/ HP Fire) and Zapdos, as well as Grass-types, such as Celebi (w/ HP Fire) and CM Virizion can help deal with such threats.
implemented again, nice catch. that section has pretty dry
DO NOT USE ON DRAGONS. The risk of the stated dragon having Earthquake and/or Flamethrower is dangerous. I would recommend having a Rotom-W as a partner, as few Dragons sport any Grass moves. The stated Rotom could have Thunder Wave, or Toxic.
If it had Toxic, it wouldn't do much, but it could force a switch. And if they don't switch, stall them out.
With Thunder Wave, the idea is to T-wave em, and switch to a counter-effective pokemon. This may be less effective, and I would go for the Toxic set over this.
If it had Toxic, it wouldn't do much, but it could force a switch. And if they don't switch, stall them out.
With Thunder Wave, the idea is to T-wave em, and switch to a counter-effective pokemon. This may be less effective, and I would go for the Toxic set over this.
Yes, I know this set shouldn't be used on Dragons. I don't think I wrotee that anywhere in the OP. However, Lati@s hates Iron Ball
well, this is now written
[SET]
name: Trick + Iron Ball
move 1: Trick
move 2: Meteor Mash
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Stealth Rock / Ice Punch
item: Iron Ball
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spd
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set is Metagross's best shot at smashing through its main counters, specifically Rotom-A, Bronzong, and Skarmory. Metagross will almost always lure these Pokemon out when it shows its ugly face, and can utilize Trick in order to cripple them with an Iron Ball. A Pokemon that would normally be immune to Ground-types moves becomes susceptible to them when tricked an Iron Ball, and their Speed is also cut in half. Metagross can abuse this fact by using Earthquake on a tricked Rotom-A and Bronzong, which will OHKO the former and deal massive damage to the latter, completely crippling it. Skarmory will retain a neutrality to Earthquake however, courtesy of its Flying-typing. The goal of this set is to reliably remove the aforementioned Pokemon from battle, so that sweepers that have who also run into difficulty with them can run through your opponent's team uninterrupted. Trick is obviously the main move for this set, and means that Metagross can also Trick around Choice items, should Rotom-A be carrying one, further crippling the opponent. Meteor Mash is Metagross's most powerful move, and will dent all Pokemon that don't resist it, thanks to Metagross's colossal Attack. Earthquake provides excellent coverage with Meteor Mash, and is the move that Metagross relies on to bring down Rotom-A and Bronzong. The last slot can be used to set up Stealth Rock, should your team lack another Pokemon to set it up. Ice Punch is another option for additional coverage, and is Metagross's best move against Gliscor,(no comma) and the Dragon-types with a quadruple weakness to Ice. Since Metagross can easily sponge Outrage from Dragon-types, it's a nifty move to snipe them down while they're locked into it.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The Speed EVs allow Metagross to outrun Pokemon with a base Speed of 115,.(comma, not period) such as Starmie. They also let Metagross outspeed the standard Ferrothorn when it's still holding its Iron Ball. Metagross's Attack is maximized in order to deal as much damage as possible, and the rest of the EVs are dumped into HP to provide bulk. The last moveslot is very variable, and can be tailored to bring the most utility to your team. Hammer Arm is Metagross' best move against Ferrorthorn, since it's one of the few Pokemon that can wall Metagross without being crippled by Iron Ball. Bullet Punch lets Metagross bypass its awful Speed while it still holds Iron Ball, and lets it pick off threats such as Terrakion and Gengar. Pursuit can be used to trap fleeing Ghost- or Psychic-types, such as Gengar or Latios, and ThunderPunch can be used solely for Gyarados, who resists Meteor Mash and is immune to Earthquake.</p>
<p>As far as teammates go, it's obvious that the best Pokemon to pair with Metagross are those who that benefit from the removal of Rotom-A and Bronzong, and the crippling of Skarmory. Gyarados is an excellent example, since it can freely set up Dragon Dances without being worried worrying about being revenge killed by Rotom-A. Mamoswine is another example, since it's walled by both Rotom-A and Bronzong, who resist its STAB combination. Haxorus and Landorus both benefit from Skarmory being crippled, and can proceed to heavily damage it with Earthquakes of their own. However, there are certain Pokemon that Metagross is unable to handle. Bulky Steel-types such as Ferrothorn (should Metagross lack Hammer Arm), Forretress,(comma) and Scizor can come in on Metagross and begin to set up. Bulky Water-types, such as Gastrodon or Jellicent, can shrug off Earthquake, heal themselves with Recover, and proceed to burn Metagross and wear it down. An offensive Rotom-A of your own with Hidden Power Fire can take down many of these Pokemon, and has excellent defensive synergy with Metagross. A Tinkerbell Celebi set (again with Hidden Power Fire) can accomplish the same thing.</p>
name: Trick + Iron Ball
move 1: Trick
move 2: Meteor Mash
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Stealth Rock / Ice Punch
item: Iron Ball
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spd
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set is Metagross's best shot at smashing through its main counters, specifically Rotom-A, Bronzong, and Skarmory. Metagross will almost always lure these Pokemon out when it shows its ugly face, and can utilize Trick in order to cripple them with an Iron Ball. A Pokemon that would normally be immune to Ground-types moves becomes susceptible to them when tricked an Iron Ball, and their Speed is also cut in half. Metagross can abuse this fact by using Earthquake on a tricked Rotom-A and Bronzong, which will OHKO the former and deal massive damage to the latter, completely crippling it. Skarmory will retain a neutrality to Earthquake however, courtesy of its Flying-typing. The goal of this set is to reliably remove the aforementioned Pokemon from battle, so that sweepers that have who also run into difficulty with them can run through your opponent's team uninterrupted. Trick is obviously the main move for this set, and means that Metagross can also Trick around Choice items, should Rotom-A be carrying one, further crippling the opponent. Meteor Mash is Metagross's most powerful move, and will dent all Pokemon that don't resist it, thanks to Metagross's colossal Attack. Earthquake provides excellent coverage with Meteor Mash, and is the move that Metagross relies on to bring down Rotom-A and Bronzong. The last slot can be used to set up Stealth Rock, should your team lack another Pokemon to set it up. Ice Punch is another option for additional coverage, and is Metagross's best move against Gliscor,(no comma) and the Dragon-types with a quadruple weakness to Ice. Since Metagross can easily sponge Outrage from Dragon-types, it's a nifty move to snipe them down while they're locked into it.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The Speed EVs allow Metagross to outrun Pokemon with a base Speed of 115,.(comma, not period) such as Starmie. They also let Metagross outspeed the standard Ferrothorn when it's still holding its Iron Ball. Metagross's Attack is maximized in order to deal as much damage as possible, and the rest of the EVs are dumped into HP to provide bulk. The last moveslot is very variable, and can be tailored to bring the most utility to your team. Hammer Arm is Metagross' best move against Ferrorthorn, since it's one of the few Pokemon that can wall Metagross without being crippled by Iron Ball. Bullet Punch lets Metagross bypass its awful Speed while it still holds Iron Ball, and lets it pick off threats such as Terrakion and Gengar. Pursuit can be used to trap fleeing Ghost- or Psychic-types, such as Gengar or Latios, and ThunderPunch can be used solely for Gyarados, who resists Meteor Mash and is immune to Earthquake.</p>
<p>As far as teammates go, it's obvious that the best Pokemon to pair with Metagross are those who that benefit from the removal of Rotom-A and Bronzong, and the crippling of Skarmory. Gyarados is an excellent example, since it can freely set up Dragon Dances without being worried worrying about being revenge killed by Rotom-A. Mamoswine is another example, since it's walled by both Rotom-A and Bronzong, who resist its STAB combination. Haxorus and Landorus both benefit from Skarmory being crippled, and can proceed to heavily damage it with Earthquakes of their own. However, there are certain Pokemon that Metagross is unable to handle. Bulky Steel-types such as Ferrothorn (should Metagross lack Hammer Arm), Forretress,(comma) and Scizor can come in on Metagross and begin to set up. Bulky Water-types, such as Gastrodon or Jellicent, can shrug off Earthquake, heal themselves with Recover, and proceed to burn Metagross and wear it down. An offensive Rotom-A of your own with Hidden Power Fire can take down many of these Pokemon, and has excellent defensive synergy with Metagross. A Tinkerbell Celebi set (again with Hidden Power Fire) can accomplish the same thing.</p>
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thanks jelly
[SET]
name: Trick + Iron Ball
move 1: Trick
move 2: Meteor Mash
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Stealth Rock / Ice Punch
item: Iron Ball
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spd
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set is Metagross' s best shot at smashing through its main counters, specifically Rotom-A, Bronzong, and Skarmory. Metagross will almost always lure these Pokemon out when it shows its ugly face, and can utilize Trick in order to cripple them with an Iron Ball. A Pokemon that would normally be immune to Ground-type moves becomes susceptible to them when tricked an Iron Ball, and their Speed isalso cut in half. Metagross can abuse this by using Earthquake on a tricked Rotom-A and Bronzong, which will OHKO the former and deal massive damage to the latter, completely crippling it. Skarmory will retain a neutrality to Earthquake however, courtesy of its Flying-typing. The goal of this set is to reliably remove the aforementioned Pokemon from battle, so sweepers that have difficulty with them can run through your opponent's team uninterrupted. Trick is obviously the main move for this set, and means that Metagross can also Trick around Choice items, should Rotom-A be carrying one, further crippling the opponent. Meteor Mash is Metagross's most powerful move, and will dent all Pokemon that don't resist it, thanks to Metagross's colossal Attack. Earthquake provides excellent coverage with Meteor Mash, and is the move that Metagross relies on to bring down Rotom-A and Bronzong. The last slot can be used to set up Stealth Rock, should your team lack another Pokemon to set it up. Ice Punch is another option for additional coverage, and is Metagross's best move against Gliscor and the Dragon-types with a quadruple weakness to Ice. Since Metagross can easily sponge Outrage from Dragon-types, it's a nifty move to snipe them down while they're locked into it.</p>
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The Speed EVs allow Metagross to outrun Pokemon with a base Speed of 115 , such as Starmie. They also let Metagross outspeed the standard Ferrothorn when it' is still holding its Iron Ball. Metagross's Attack is maximized in order to deal as much damage as possible, and the rest of the EVs are dumped into HP to provide bulk. The last moveslot is very flexible, and can be tailored to bring the most utility to your team. Hammer Arm is Metagross's best move against Ferrothorn, since it's one of the few Pokemon that can wall Metagross without being crippled by Iron Ball. Bullet Punch lets Metagross bypass its awful Speed while it still holds Iron Ball, and lets it pick off threats such as Terrakion and Gengar. Pursuit can be used to trap fleeing Ghost- or Psychic-types, such as Gengar or Latios, and ThunderPunch can be used solely for Gyarados, who resists Meteor Mash and is immune to Earthquake.</p>
<p>As far as teammates go, it's obvious that the best Pokemon to pair with Metagross are those that benefit from the removal of Rotom-A and Bronzong, and the crippling of Skarmory. Gyarados is an excellent example, since it can freely set up Dragon Dances without worrying about being revenge killed by Rotom-A. Mamoswine is another example,since it'as it is walled by both Rotom-A and Bronzong, who resist its STAB combination. Haxorus and Landorus both benefit from Skarmory being crippled, and can proceed to heavily damage it with Earthquakes of their own. However, there are certain Pokemon that Metagross is unable to handle. Bulky Steel-types such as Ferrothorn (should Metagross lack Hammer Arm), Forretress, and Scizor can come in on Metagross and begin to set up. Bulky Water-types, such as Gastrodon or Jellicent, can shrug off Earthquake, heal themselves with Recover, and proceed to burn Metagross and wear it down. An offensive Rotom-A of your own with Hidden Power Fire can take down many of these Pokemon, and has excellent defensive synergy with Metagross. A Tinkerbell Celebi set (again with Hidden Power Fire) can accomplish the same thing.</p>
name: Trick + Iron Ball
move 1: Trick
move 2: Meteor Mash
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Stealth Rock / Ice Punch
item: Iron Ball
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spd
[SET COMMENTS]
<p>This set is Metagross' s best shot at smashing through its main counters, specifically Rotom-A, Bronzong, and Skarmory. Metagross will almost always lure these Pokemon out when it shows its ugly face, and can utilize Trick in order to cripple them with an Iron Ball. A Pokemon that would normally be immune to Ground-type moves becomes susceptible to them when tricked an Iron Ball, and their Speed is
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
<p>The Speed EVs allow Metagross to outrun Pokemon with a base Speed of 115 , such as Starmie. They also let Metagross outspeed the standard Ferrothorn when it
<p>As far as teammates go, it's obvious that the best Pokemon to pair with Metagross are those that benefit from the removal of Rotom-A and Bronzong, and the crippling of Skarmory. Gyarados is an excellent example, since it can freely set up Dragon Dances without worrying about being revenge killed by Rotom-A. Mamoswine is another example,
GP 2/2
thanks fluffy. this is now done
